He was borrowing from the merchandiser to play poker with us and he’s really bad at bluffing. Turns out he was losing the T-shirt money. “He had a gambling debt for a while with us,” Keenan claimed. Though the band had formed a personal and creative bond with Rollins while opening for the Rollins Band during a 1992 tour, Keenan – who is known to occasionally embroider a story to make it more interesting – told the magazine that Rollins’ presence was motivated not by a sense of artistic kinship, but rather as payback for a poker debt. His part sounds better for him, the way he speaks, so it just sounded way better to have his part in there instead. “That’s actually a spoken word part I do there came down and he read that part, but he also wrote his own part to kind of paraphrase what I’d said. One of the album’s standout tracks, the dynamic seven-minute epic “Bottom,” includes a spoken-word cameo appearance by Henry Rollins, who modified Keenan’s original words for the passage with some thoughts of his own.
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